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		<title>By: Premier Christy Clark: More Reorganization of BC Natural Resource Ministries &#124; GreenPolicyProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Premier Christy Clark: More Reorganization of BC Natural Resource Ministries &#124; GreenPolicyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In announcing her new cabinet, Premier Clark reversed significant parts of the tumultuous reorganization introduced by Gordon Campbell in October 2010. The centerpiece of Campbell’s reorganization was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ian Moss</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 20:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more bitter pill to swallow.  The Government has still not got it ... that policy decisions that are not sensitive to the need to adapt practices to local social and environmental circumstances, that a focus on preparation of management plans by way of delegation to the industry (no change here) whose main goal is to acquire property rights and permits for specific activities, not land management, and that a streamlined system of government permits and approvals aimed at reducing transaction costs and increasing government revenues, does not, and will not make for efficient and effective land management.  This is defacto land management at best. 

The ability to tailor research, policy, planning and practice must be delegated to a central authority on a more local scale so as to grant more flexibility in the responses to issues like climate change and to place responsibility for the social, economic and environmental outcomes in the hands of those that are most knowledgeable about their situation and will be most impacted by the decisions.  As is indicated in the article above - instead of structuring research, policy, planning and practice to underwrite such flexible responses, the Government has decided in its own wisdom to stretch the very bonds of these 4 corner stones of effective land management coordination even more than was the case under the old regime.  Frustrations with lack of control will increase on the local scale, and the  Government will have to respond by way of triage of the treatment of those frustrations through a highly centralized form of government due to the lack of empowered decision makers lower in the hierarchy.  Important issues will be missed and unintended consequences will continue to perpetuate themselves throughout this centralized system, as in the past, for example through &quot;sudden&quot; outbreaks of large scale social unrest about the way forests are being managed,  catastrophic fires, and bark beetles, all of which could be, and in fact were, anticipated and yet not responded to because the voices were too few and not loud enough until after the events occurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more bitter pill to swallow.  The Government has still not got it &#8230; that policy decisions that are not sensitive to the need to adapt practices to local social and environmental circumstances, that a focus on preparation of management plans by way of delegation to the industry (no change here) whose main goal is to acquire property rights and permits for specific activities, not land management, and that a streamlined system of government permits and approvals aimed at reducing transaction costs and increasing government revenues, does not, and will not make for efficient and effective land management.  This is defacto land management at best. </p>
<p>The ability to tailor research, policy, planning and practice must be delegated to a central authority on a more local scale so as to grant more flexibility in the responses to issues like climate change and to place responsibility for the social, economic and environmental outcomes in the hands of those that are most knowledgeable about their situation and will be most impacted by the decisions.  As is indicated in the article above &#8211; instead of structuring research, policy, planning and practice to underwrite such flexible responses, the Government has decided in its own wisdom to stretch the very bonds of these 4 corner stones of effective land management coordination even more than was the case under the old regime.  Frustrations with lack of control will increase on the local scale, and the  Government will have to respond by way of triage of the treatment of those frustrations through a highly centralized form of government due to the lack of empowered decision makers lower in the hierarchy.  Important issues will be missed and unintended consequences will continue to perpetuate themselves throughout this centralized system, as in the past, for example through &#8220;sudden&#8221; outbreaks of large scale social unrest about the way forests are being managed,  catastrophic fires, and bark beetles, all of which could be, and in fact were, anticipated and yet not responded to because the voices were too few and not loud enough until after the events occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Sia Toumel</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1743</link>
		<dc:creator>Sia Toumel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no question that this reorganization is badly needed.  Sclerosis has settled in the diverse ministries where each deals with the elephant in the room from a very small self-centered vantage - reminds me of the 7 blinds who were trying to feel a small part of the elephant and describe the creature.

Not only some ministries are rafe with rogue agents who decide for themselves what values should be imposed on the rest of society, but to make matters worse, none of this set of diverse agents have any background or inclination to consider tax income and revenue generation in evaluating an application on hand.  Therefore it is quite common that some recent college graduate in cultural theory in order to save \minnows\ ends up rejecting a sustainable project that could bring millions in revenue to multiple levels of government and First Nations.

The ideological impoverishment of the province continues with the bureaucracy in total control and also in many ways subservient to the extremely highly paid public unions.  This charade has to end.  If there is a better way to do that - I am all ears.  However, the current system of layers and layers of bureacracy with very little accountibility and rampant ideological activism and diverse specialty fiefdoms within government must change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no question that this reorganization is badly needed.  Sclerosis has settled in the diverse ministries where each deals with the elephant in the room from a very small self-centered vantage &#8211; reminds me of the 7 blinds who were trying to feel a small part of the elephant and describe the creature.</p>
<p>Not only some ministries are rafe with rogue agents who decide for themselves what values should be imposed on the rest of society, but to make matters worse, none of this set of diverse agents have any background or inclination to consider tax income and revenue generation in evaluating an application on hand.  Therefore it is quite common that some recent college graduate in cultural theory in order to save \minnows\ ends up rejecting a sustainable project that could bring millions in revenue to multiple levels of government and First Nations.</p>
<p>The ideological impoverishment of the province continues with the bureaucracy in total control and also in many ways subservient to the extremely highly paid public unions.  This charade has to end.  If there is a better way to do that &#8211; I am all ears.  However, the current system of layers and layers of bureacracy with very little accountibility and rampant ideological activism and diverse specialty fiefdoms within government must change.</p>
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		<title>By: One Land Manager, or Seven? The 2010 Reorganization of Natural Resource Management in BC - FACT &#8211; Forests and Communities in Transition</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1727</link>
		<dc:creator>One Land Manager, or Seven? The 2010 Reorganization of Natural Resource Management in BC - FACT &#8211; Forests and Communities in Transition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 20:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jakums</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1725</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2010 01:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just spend one semester&#039;s administration class learning in depth, the procedures and policies of the MOFR... now i have to re-learn a new system. Thanks Gordon Campbell for making my post secondary experience yet again more challenging. However, thank you George and Stephanie for taking the time to quickly formulate an analysis of this remodeling. The article was informing and promoted discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just spend one semester&#8217;s administration class learning in depth, the procedures and policies of the MOFR&#8230; now i have to re-learn a new system. Thanks Gordon Campbell for making my post secondary experience yet again more challenging. However, thank you George and Stephanie for taking the time to quickly formulate an analysis of this remodeling. The article was informing and promoted discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1724</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with others who have commented about it not being appropriate to make comparisons between MSRM and the new MNRO; you really are trying to compare apples to oranges or perhaps even fruit to vegetables.

I would also note that &quot;land use planning&quot; has not been a significant program for several years now.  It has been essentially been replaced by negotiated land and resource use agreements between the Crown and First Nations.  I also note that many of these plans are very dated (having been developed 10 or more years ago for much of the interior of the province) and given the prescriptive nature of many of these plans I would be interested to learn how much they actually influence operational level management and decision making today.  

One challenge with linking sector revenues to the amount that is spent on &quot;administering&quot; that sector is that this approach does not take into account the amount of work involved in actually processing authorizations for the activities of that sector.   In some instances perhaps the Crown could price tenures to more accurately reflect the amount of effort involved in processing the application in question.

I would also argue that in some instances the Crown undervalues the revenue that could have been generated from its land and resource assets.  For example, what if rather than allowing a &quot;gold rush&quot; for &quot;staking&quot; of potential run of river IPP sites the Crown had instead only made a small number of sites available at a time and used some sort of competitive bid process to see who got the rights to a site?  I would speculate that the Crown may have gotten a better return in the long run.  I would point to the agreements that First Nations are able to negotiate with IPP developers as evidence of what the Crown may have been able to achieve.  But this is a whole other topic for discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with others who have commented about it not being appropriate to make comparisons between MSRM and the new MNRO; you really are trying to compare apples to oranges or perhaps even fruit to vegetables.</p>
<p>I would also note that &#8220;land use planning&#8221; has not been a significant program for several years now.  It has been essentially been replaced by negotiated land and resource use agreements between the Crown and First Nations.  I also note that many of these plans are very dated (having been developed 10 or more years ago for much of the interior of the province) and given the prescriptive nature of many of these plans I would be interested to learn how much they actually influence operational level management and decision making today.  </p>
<p>One challenge with linking sector revenues to the amount that is spent on &#8220;administering&#8221; that sector is that this approach does not take into account the amount of work involved in actually processing authorizations for the activities of that sector.   In some instances perhaps the Crown could price tenures to more accurately reflect the amount of effort involved in processing the application in question.</p>
<p>I would also argue that in some instances the Crown undervalues the revenue that could have been generated from its land and resource assets.  For example, what if rather than allowing a &#8220;gold rush&#8221; for &#8220;staking&#8221; of potential run of river IPP sites the Crown had instead only made a small number of sites available at a time and used some sort of competitive bid process to see who got the rights to a site?  I would speculate that the Crown may have gotten a better return in the long run.  I would point to the agreements that First Nations are able to negotiate with IPP developers as evidence of what the Crown may have been able to achieve.  But this is a whole other topic for discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bourgeois</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bourgeois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be surprised this new organization will lead to positive results.  My experience when policy is separated from operations the result is major delays in moving forward.  Operations and policy people think about issues differently and have different objectives.  When there is no clear authority (i.e., one boss) a lot of discussion and time occurs.  This type of organization is dependent upon the ability of the policy people to \convince\ operations that changes are good.  Couple the differences in performance measures and the lack of skills in convincing people in the policy arena, operations will be king.  I would like to see the rationale for the change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be surprised this new organization will lead to positive results.  My experience when policy is separated from operations the result is major delays in moving forward.  Operations and policy people think about issues differently and have different objectives.  When there is no clear authority (i.e., one boss) a lot of discussion and time occurs.  This type of organization is dependent upon the ability of the policy people to \convince\ operations that changes are good.  Couple the differences in performance measures and the lack of skills in convincing people in the policy arena, operations will be king.  I would like to see the rationale for the change.</p>
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		<title>By: Red-green</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1714</link>
		<dc:creator>Red-green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big changes between MSRM and MNRO is the legislation (power) and entire field operations have moved to the new ministry. The capacity and size of MNRO dwarfs the MSRM mistake. 
To be fair about diminishing budgets, you have to look at the revenues being generated by the sectors. It doesn&#039;t make sense to continue to spend the same or more money on diminishing returns...what has to happen next is simpler, faster policy to support NR business and mounting First Nation&#039;s issues. Otherwise the entire system will lock up in it&#039;s own bureacratic confusion...and I&#039;d say it&#039;s petty close to chaos now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big changes between MSRM and MNRO is the legislation (power) and entire field operations have moved to the new ministry. The capacity and size of MNRO dwarfs the MSRM mistake.<br />
To be fair about diminishing budgets, you have to look at the revenues being generated by the sectors. It doesn&#8217;t make sense to continue to spend the same or more money on diminishing returns&#8230;what has to happen next is simpler, faster policy to support NR business and mounting First Nation&#8217;s issues. Otherwise the entire system will lock up in it&#8217;s own bureacratic confusion&#8230;and I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s petty close to chaos now.</p>
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		<title>By: RoKeSca</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator>RoKeSca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this spring Budget document for the budget estimates in 2012-2014 and add these to your graphs to see the trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this spring Budget document for the budget estimates in 2012-2014 and add these to your graphs to see the trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Britneff</title>
		<link>http://greenpolicyprof.org/wordpress/?p=458&#038;cpage=1#comment-1712</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Britneff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you George and Stephanie for this fast analysis.  Even within the former B.C. Forest Service, it was always challenging to maintain dialogue and linkages between forest policy and operations at provincial, regional and local scales.  That was between two divisions, not two ministries as we now have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you George and Stephanie for this fast analysis.  Even within the former B.C. Forest Service, it was always challenging to maintain dialogue and linkages between forest policy and operations at provincial, regional and local scales.  That was between two divisions, not two ministries as we now have.</p>
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